tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post6626900382059538581..comments2023-06-25T17:10:00.793+08:00Comments on Roman Polanski: The Ballad of Contradictions: Chapter 6. Arguments Ad HominemJeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06083598595101518329noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-29911693167231321892011-05-10T08:59:28.053+09:002011-05-10T08:59:28.053+09:00>>He's qualified and experienced to give...>>He's qualified and experienced to give an opinion and I'm guessing you are not.>><br /><br />Dr. Larson said "there is not always evidence" and you take that little bit and run away with it, while ignoring the rest of his testimony, which completely contradicts Samantha Gailey's testimony.<br /><br />>>Absolutely but erring on the side of innocence doesn't mean saying the alleged victim made the whole thing up.>><br /><br />As far as due process of law is concerned, the alleged victim DID make the whole thing up. No evidence, no crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-78728460172150153722011-05-09T19:58:32.194+09:002011-05-09T19:58:32.194+09:00Christian - please read my replies to your comment...Christian - please read my replies to your comments. You seem to either ignore them, or to pretend you do not understand what I am saying. <br /><br />Fair warning: if you play that Bundy card once again, I will not post that. It is just plain indecent.<br /><br />Nobody can honestly use a PATHOLOGICAL argument when we're talking about NORM. Polanski is psychiatrically certified as normal, and all his long history of both life and work confirms it. <br /><br />Pathology, miracles, things of little probability, far-fetched things, things barely possible or rarely occuring CAN'T be used in a serious argument. When heaped on top of each other, they form one huge IMPOSSIBILITY, which is, I believe, exactly what Anon meant by "stretching credibility".Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083598595101518329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-11051887045931045852011-05-08T21:00:04.920+09:002011-05-08T21:00:04.920+09:00"it stretches credibility that they all would..."it stretches credibility that they all would be refused"<br /><br />Not at all. Rape victim often freeze up and do nothing due to fear and plenty of people don't seek therapy.<br /><br />"It is grossly unfair to compare Polanski to Bundy. There is NO comparison"<br /><br />My intention was to give an example of a don juan who was a rapist that does not equal saying that Polanski is as bad as Ted Bundy<br /><br />"How convenient that you ignore the part where Dr. Larson finds no semen on Gailey after she said that that there was semen on her"<br /><br />He did not come to the conclusion that the evidence proved she was lying so neither will I. <br /><br />"And I DO think that if a grown man shoves his cock up a young girl's ass TWO TIMES, and WITHOUT LUBRICANT, there's going to be evidence"<br /><br />He's qualified and experienced to give an opinion and I'm guessing you are not. Even if by some slim chance you are he has looked at physical evidence personally and you haven't. <br /><br />"when a man is being a accused of a crime like rape, we should err on the side of innocence, not guilt"<br /><br />Absolutely but erring on the side of innocence doesn't mean saying the alleged victim made the whole thing up.Christiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-41646137780109521762011-05-08T11:14:40.083+09:002011-05-08T11:14:40.083+09:00To Christian,
>>>The blogger states that...To Christian,<br /><br />>>>The blogger states that don juans don't rape, that no real rape victim would not call for help and that no rape victim would refuse therapy. These are all mistruths.>>><br /><br />Yes, but Jean and I find it a bit odd that Gailey neither asked for help when she had the chance to, or ran away when she had the chance to, or went through therapy when she had the chance to. In fact, while it might happen that at least one of these chances might be refused, it stretches credibility that they all would be refused. Especially by a young woman who had previous experience with the male sex and who was not mentally impaired or a special needs person.<br /><br />>>Ted Bundy was a serial killer who raped his victims and he was a womanizer so he is an example of a don juan who was also rapist.>><br /><br />It is grossly unfair to compare Polanski to Bundy. There is NO comparison. Polanski never killed anybody. And not only did he not kill anybody, there isn't any evidence that he raped anybody. You are just as ridiculous as those people who compare Polanski to Hitler. <br /><br />>>I've just read Dr Larson evidence and he states that there isn't always physical evidence in cases where the victim has had a bowel movement which Samantha said she did.>><br /><br />How convenient that you ignore the part where Dr. Larson finds no semen on Gailey after she said that that there was semen on her. And I DO think that if a grown man shoves his cock up a young girl's ass TWO TIMES, and WITHOUT LUBRICANT, there's going to be evidence. The tissue is going to tear, and there is going to be blood, and no bowel movement is going to cover that up. And I think it's also fair to add that any bowel movement after such an ordeal is also going to be extremely painful. Samantha also states that she did not take a shower, which means that there would have been traces of semen and blood on her skin. Dr. Larson found no traces of this.<br /><br />Christian, when a man is being a accused of a crime like rape, we should err on the side of innocence, not guilt, when there is no evidence of such a crime. And in this case, there is NO evidence whatsoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-62808553054945991402011-05-07T05:11:49.738+09:002011-05-07T05:11:49.738+09:00Addison: thank you for commenting. You see, of cou...Addison: thank you for commenting. You see, of course, that I do not base my case on arguments ad hominem, nor are my arguments ad hominem based solely on the observation (often as I came across it in various research) that there can hardly be such an entity as a one-time rapist.<br /><br />The wonder of Vogelhut isn’t that she appeared at all – her allegations have been analyzed by many (I can do it, if you want, but it’s too much like shooting a clay pigeon), and the fact that she’s never been made a banner (or any serious argument) of by “the other side” is very eloquent: nothing but a typical bandwagon media whore (not my, or any “Polanski apologist’s” expression, by the way) who couldn’t get anything straight, didn't really have a case and resurfaced right in the wake of Cooley’s historical fiasco. No, the real miracle is that nobody else crawled under their rocks. Any case of such magnitude, notoriety, and universal appeal (being both high-profile, sex-related and in the immediate focus for half mankind) necessarily breeds copycat victims, longing to have their 15-minute limelight. Why it didn’t happen now is a mystery to me, and something I definitely will research in the future.<br /><br />Predatory behavior… you know what? The attitude towards what once was considered typical man’s behavior has changed so much over the few last decades – especially in the USA – that I wouldn’t hurry to label anything male as “predatory”. Any courtship, any instance of making passes, any [un]ambiguous conversation, any entertainment of frivolous nature can be re-interpreted in this new light, even if at the moment it took place it seemed acceptable to both parties involved. <br /><br />And thank you so much for what you said at the end of your comment. You don’t know how important it is to me, and how precious. <br /><br />There are a few more chapters, I hope you’ll read them too. Thank you again – and an additional word of thanks for not remaining anonymous.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Now, dear friends, I’ll attend to all other comments in a couple of days. Nothing will remain un-posted or un-answered, I promise.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083598595101518329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-58338735898779656712011-05-07T04:19:45.599+09:002011-05-07T04:19:45.599+09:00To anonymous:
The blogger states that don juans d...To anonymous:<br /><br />The blogger states that don juans don't rape, that no real rape victim would not call for help and that no rape victim would refuse therapy. These are all mistruths.<br /><br />Ted Bundy was a serial killer who raped his victims and he was a womanizer so he is an example of a don juan who was also rapist.<br /><br />I've just read Dr Larson evidence and he states that there isn't always physical evidence in cases where the victim has had a bowel movement which Samantha said she did.Christiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-39077827169419815562011-05-07T04:10:31.733+09:002011-05-07T04:10:31.733+09:00Since most rape victims don't report their ord...Since most rape victims don't report their ordeal its not unusual for a sex offender to only have been accused once though another woman called Edith Vogelhut has claimed that Polanski raped her and Tatum O'Neil accused him of predatory behavior in her memoir.<br /><br />Having said that I do accept from reading this blog that the case against Polanski isn't as cut and dried as the media would have us believe.Addisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-153120144323861492011-05-03T16:18:43.716+09:002011-05-03T16:18:43.716+09:00Thank you Anon, - my internet connection has been ...Thank you Anon, - my internet connection has been behaving in a weird way lately, I hope to be able to fix it within a few days. Will go on posting documents, and attend to other comments - patience people, some time by the end of the week everything will be posted and answered. (if, of course, nothing else happens, pray nothing will)Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083598595101518329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-34089168782737899852011-05-03T11:43:21.032+09:002011-05-03T11:43:21.032+09:00>>Once again I see assumptions and mistruths...>>Once again I see assumptions and mistruths about rapists and rape victims being perpetuated.>><br /><br />Would you like to point out where these "mistruths" are?<br /><br />>>Rapists and sex offenders can be charming and popular people.>><br /><br />And there are charming and popular people who AREN'T rapists and sex offenders. And there are many people on the sex offender list whose only crime was having sex with someone a few years younger than them.<br /><br />>>Rapists and sex offenders can also have very active sex lives and be popular with women. Ted Bundy>><br /><br />Ted Bundy was a serial killer. Get your facts straight.<br /><br />>>Roman Polanski may be innocent of forcible rape but nothing I have seen on this website convinces me of this.>><br /><br />Maybe you should see the medical examination done by Dr. Larson showing no evidence of forcible rape by Polanski. If it's not on this website, you can google the information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-7360260081359246032011-05-01T20:20:34.452+09:002011-05-01T20:20:34.452+09:00I agree its not proven he is guilty of forcible ra...I agree its not proven he is guilty of forcible rape but unless you can print testimony from Dr Larson saying that its proven rape didn't happen its not proven she is lying about what happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-65696945960077553212011-04-29T18:25:33.094+09:002011-04-29T18:25:33.094+09:00I don’t know how valid it is to drag in extreme ps...I don’t know how valid it is to drag in extreme psychopaths like Bundy while I am talking about a man who is sane, perfectly normal and for almost fifty years by now subjected to a public scrutiny nothing could have escaped, given his high profile, people’s willingness to talk about him, and the curiosity he has been provoking from the very start. However far-fetched and irrelevant what you said seems to me, it is not my main point, though.<br /><br />>>Roman Polanski may be innocent of forcible rape but nothing I have seen on this website convinces me of this.<<<br /><br />You know, Christian – nothing on this website convinces me that YOU are innocent of forcible rape.<br /><br />This is the point all my opponents seem to miss, for some unfathomable reason.<br /><br />I do not have to prove anything. Anyone is innocent unless proven guilty, and the burden of proof rests on the prosecution.<br /><br />All the defense I need is in those two documents: the plea bargain – unlawful sexual intercourse – and the probation report (an isolated instance of transient poor judgment, neither forceful nor aggressive, willingness and provocativeness of the girl, lack of coercion etc.). <br /><br />Every single fact and detail of the case points in that very direction – either conclusively or inconclusively. There is NOTHING AT ALL that would point in the opposite direction, and could be POSSIBLY used for prosecution.<br /><br />I can’t base my defense on arguments ad hominem, and I NEVER DO SO, which I explained right at the beginning of the chapter, but his personality is one of those INCONCLUSIVELY pointing in the same direction things. But an argument like “the defendant has throughout his life acquitted himself as a thoroughly worthy man, but we all know that many dangerous criminals… et blah blah blah” can NEVER be used for prosecution, under any sauce: it would be absurd.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083598595101518329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4186171714707843344.post-29190725445961974672011-04-28T04:06:09.034+09:002011-04-28T04:06:09.034+09:00Once again I see assumptions and mistruths about r...Once again I see assumptions and mistruths about rapists and rape victims being perpetuated.<br /><br />Rapists and sex offenders can be charming and popular people. Arnold Friedman - an admitted pedophile - was so beloved in his community and work he was voted Teacher of the Year.<br /><br />Rapists and sex offenders can also have very active sex lives and be popular with women. Ted Bundy, Robert Lee Willie, Paul Bernardo and Richard Rimirez are a few examples of sex offenders who were womanizers.<br /><br />Roman Polanski may be innocent of forcible rape but nothing I have seen on this website convinces me of this.Christiannoreply@blogger.com